Quota for SC/ ST - India « Nidhi’s Diary

Well, I guess the ‘tag’ of being SC/ST will remain with them forever and ’sane’ companies will avoid the recruitment anyway. Its just the cut down of the opportunity for the general category that is painful. All for the vote bank, grrr..

By: Anurag on March 29, 2006
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Yeah Nidhi ,i completely agree with u that Government have done big injustice to other people by providing illogical reservations to SC/ST. everywhere SC/ST people have some reservations and they get admissions/jobs with poor performance as compared to general category.

Goverment may provide free educations and other facilities (basic needs :Roti , kapda, makan ) which might help SC/ST people to grow but they should not get reservations in admissions/jobs or any other public activities.

i remember my college days , how SC/ST people got better branch even they performed bad in entrance. i was the victim of this quota of SC/ST.

i don’t want to offense any SC/ST people. This is just my opinion.i really don’t see justice to other people than SC/ST by provinding reservations in various things to SC/ST people.

By: Dilip on March 29, 2006
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Does anyone know how to become an SC/ST ? What if I declare that inspite of my brahiminical birth, I renounce it and become SC. It’s still not too late for me to get admission !!!!!

By: Vineet on March 29, 2006
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No Vineet, it’s never too late to take a step in right direction [just kidding]. Yes you can goto court and change your surname to one of the SC/ST and declare yourself an SC/ST.

By: Neeraj on March 29, 2006
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Hi Anurag, Yes General category suffer because of this unfair quota system

Dear Dilip, everywhere they get the free seats and priority. Its so sad.

Hi Vineet, If you change your surname, do let me know.

Dearest Neeraj, Thanks for the info’

By: Nidhi on March 29, 2006
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Despite being a Kashir brahmin, I care two pins for what caste one belongs to. This is an unfortunate thing that has bled India for many centuries. I don’t believe in any kinds of caste system but before we raise a finger against the Quota system, we need to realize that it is a much broader issue than that.
Firstly, the mental set-up of people of India is such that the class-system is engrained in their lives.
That’s just the way it has been and I don’t see that changing in many years to come.
Look out how an average person treats the person below their level. Have you ever stopped and noticed how an average person talks to their kooda-waala (garbage collector), gardner, a rickshaw puller?
When was the last time you ever said “thank you” to a guy who pulled you in 40 degrees Celsius for miles…?

These are little things that matter. I sometimes chuckle when I read that a woman was paraded naked in some village just because she belonged to a “lower caste”??? When people talk about how India is rising up in the ranks of Industrial nations, I laugh at them. A common person doesn’t even know how to read properly, fears for what tomorrow may bring…….
The main issue at hand is the major major inequality of wealth, of education, of opportunities, of everything.

Sadly the “powers that be” in India have always taken the route of “caste system” instead of educating people, spreading awareness programs. Planning is all we can do, deeds have always been missing.
May be I’m getting off the topic here, but given the major disparity amongst the people of India (which will never go away) - “Quota” system is neither a pro nor a con.
Who would have thought that the land of Shankracharya and Kanishka would ever see a person being burnt alive just because they are of a lower caste….
That’s my rather long take on it. So, we have to remember that the quota system can not be dismissed one-tracked. It comes with many strings attached, which have been sitting rusted, waiting for all of us to change our minds, to realize that the person next to us has the same soul as we do.

We can go on talking about this till eternity. But the problem is here to stay. That’s not a pessimistic view. That’s a realistic view, and unfortunately, life is not “Swades, the movie”. But it is indeed true that every million mile journey begins with one step.

Gautam Dhar
http://www.msu.edu/~dhargaut
http://gautamdhar.blogspot.com

By: Gautam Dhar 'Zafar' on March 29, 2006
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Thanks for advise Neeraj, let me see if I can do that. If not me, my progeny would be assured of first class education in India.

Nidhi: If I put my surname in the SC/ST listing; for you it is too late to take the benefit.

By: Vineet on March 30, 2006
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‘The cause’ because of which this quota system came in the picture was a good intention but government poorly implement the idea. And it starts with backward class (not only SC/ST) and now planning to include minority too.

By: Tarun on March 30, 2006
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Dear Gautam, Nice comment. Thanks. I agree with your points Gautam, esp’ in the states like Jharkhand where poverty and caste system is very high. I believe and wish that there will be a day when no one would be below poverty line.

Hi Tarun, yes its not been implemented properly.

By: Nidhi on March 31, 2006
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Well the SC/ST reservation was supposed to end long time back in the early 90\’s. But it keeps extending at every 5-year plan. the current deadline is 2010. There\’s a lot of politics involved in the extension.

By: Andalite on March 31, 2006
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What I believe is that this is not going to help them in any ways…\

If there would be no quotas then they would struggle and work hard to get more percentage and instead this would help them reach newer heights even though it will be an slow process…

By: Falak on April 2, 2006
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SC/ ST…dont even talk about it, my blood boils.

During my MBA admissions my score was good -a triple digit score. And there ahead of me in the queue were all SC/ST people with a double digit score that got the priviledge to choose yes choose which college they wanted to get in.

And me with a triple digit score had to choose from the left overs-that they had rejected.

I was depressed for so many days after that. Miserable, angry, dejected , feeling things were so unfair etc etc.

That was my first encounter where i faced discrimination.

But the point to be noted is…all of us in my class always did better than them. Each and every exam and presentation.

By: Anu on April 3, 2006
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I totally agree with ya!
REY!

By: REY on April 4, 2006
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Well all u guys first of u all understand onething about this quota system that the SC/ST’s only get 22% reserved from 100 vacancies and the rest is for the Generals i.e. 78%. So if u peoples are not able to compete amongst u peoples and get the best seat why pointing ur fingers towards these SC/ST’s. They are only competeing among 22% and also think how much cut throat competetion is there amongs these SC/ST’s. Go and compete in 78% and don’t ever think of the rest 22%. If ur good enough then why ur thinking about the lesser 22%, the chances are more in 78%. U guys are good for nothing first look inside urself before pointing ur fingers to other’s. If somebody’s blood is boiling so let them boil and look at vineet he wants to change into SC/ST and there was a time and still there is when all this brahmins call SC/ST’s the ‘UNTOUCHABLES’. Bloody Jokers!

By: King on April 7, 2006
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I totally agree with King. The entire SC/ST reservation just amounts to 22% and the rest are for the General candidates. Also a lot of these seats in the elite institutions are left vacant due to invailability of candidates. If Open category people can’t compete in the 78% , i don’t know who else can. According to me this percentage is by no stretch of imagination a small number.Centuries of backwardness can’t be overcome within a couple of decades. Has the reservation system failed to make an impact , well to some extent yes. But the problem is that we have put the cart before the horse. Education is a very rich word , and add quality to it you are essential asking for the moon. So the problem before the government is to provide Quality education to a majority of SC/ST people ….only then can we hope to achieve some parity.During preparation of entrance exams most of the SC/ST people get left behind because they can’t afford the exorbitant fees of coaching institutes.Add to this years of poor educational background. This explains the gap in performance during the entrance stage.Now the government obviously can’t spend outrageously to pay for the entire education of these people. Not at this stage at least. So how to achieve normalization. Well the simplest thing that comes to mind is Reservation.

Well then what can be done u might wonder. Does it mean that some dreams will always have an early death so that some have the right to dignified living. Well not really. The answer lies in a wise mix of policies with ground action. We have to have a booming economy and create surplus jobs. Establish more and more quality institutions .Such an atmosphere will assure that nobody is left out in this rat race!

By: Confucioius on April 10, 2006
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To Confucioius, You are right in saying that government should provide the quality education to SC/ ST. I have studied in KV (Central School); I have seen few SC/ ST who doesnt study at all becoz they knew that they will get preference everywhere. The education level was same for me, for rest of class and for them, then what’s the point of giving them preference, just becoz they have that tag.

Though I agree with most of your points.

King, You seems JOKER to me, how dare you can say like this to any caste. The subject was Quota not the caste system.

By: Nidhi on April 10, 2006
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The whole idea of “Reservation” & “Quota System” is absurd, they are just short-sighted & dirty-fixes to problem that are not as big as everyone made it. Through them, certain un-deserving candidates gets promoted over certain deserving candidates.

Confucioius, what you wrote is right but is a Fairy Tale that “We have to have a booming economy and create surplus jobs. Establish more and more quality institutions”. Let’s be practical, there could never be a situation that will satisfy everyone’s need. And I completely agree that govt can NEVER incur huge expense of paying for their entire education.

So as per me, instead of affecting the education system directly [that's where the biggest problem lies], govt SHOULD have brought other facilities in tandem.

Example, if there is any deserving student who passed the entrance exam, but can’t pay the complete fee for the course, then provide him loan on easy terms. Or make the whole loan system a little relaxed.

No problem is unsolvable, if we really want to solve it with our heart. But quick & dirty fix for few people’s benefit is what all “Reservation” & “Quota System” is all about.

By: Neeraj on April 10, 2006
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We do not need kancha ilaiah to tell us that Dalits had been Oppressed and suppressed and still being done so in “shining India”. The stigma towards a lower caste in India is despicable. If you notice in the last 50 or so years, the upwardly mobile communities in India have always moved upwards, where as the down trodden has been pushed more and more down to beat the dust. Except in some states where progressive movements had a stronghold, rest of India still remains the same. When we blatantly blurt out our “voice of anger” towards reservation, why don’t we ever think it as a graceful reward for all those indiscrimination we parted to those peers of ours? Tangling this situation with electoral politics takes it to another dimension. Then, why do political parties resort to such kind of ways? Of course, they are expecting from a reward from the beneficiaries. With all those reservations prevailing in India, we have 6 dalit professors in Delhi University out of 300. I think that is a wonderful No: to be content with! Then, they are at the other end always to rape, Molest, chop off the hands. That’s is what you call equal opportunity!!

By: unni on April 11, 2006
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Uhh d increase is nt fr any SC/ST dis time around, its 4 d OBC’s, which if defined contains ur barber nd the mechanic etc.

By: AbWrLd on April 12, 2006
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If this is implemented, India is going to Brain Drain Part -3. The 1st took place in the 70s in SOuth Indian due to that quota system, the next in lae 90s due to lack of opportunity and now part 3. The movie will be completed. Indians will start moving to Australia, EU and USA. They will no longer be proud of themselves.

By: Rahul M on April 12, 2006
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@Abwrld, yes not its OBCs I have written post prior to the hike in reservation by Mr Arjun Singh.

To Rahul, Thats very true. The bright students will move to different countries if the government keeps on increasing reservation to SC/ ST/ OBCs for their vote bank.

By: Nidhi on April 12, 2006
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For ur comment at my blog; yes men and women both donate hair and thengo to the temple.

Its like, “look Lord, I have offered my beauty in your name.”

By: Rahul M on April 12, 2006
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As for quota, I would rather suggest free education or subsidized education rather than a quota. The quota makes them lazy and deprives them of mental activity.

By: Rahul M on April 12, 2006
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i am also feeling really very sad about the quota system u guys are talking about sc\st now its OBC these guys are getting quota in jobs \studies & private jobs but the govt can’t understand that there are poor people in general category also where will they go if all the fruits are taken by SC\ST\OBC

By: gaurav on April 19, 2006
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i am also feeling really very sad about the quota system u guys are talking about sc\st now its OBC these guys are getting quota in jobs \studies & private jobs but the govt can’t understand that there are poor people in general category also where will they go if all the fruits are taken by SC\ST\OBC and the corruption in india is also a part of quota system because they don’t want to work

By: gaurav on April 19, 2006
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Dear Gaurav, Thats very true, some General Category people are also poor but no one thinks or sypathise for them. They only want a fair chance out of their hard work.

Thanks for posting comment.

Cheers
Nidhi

By: Nidhi on April 20, 2006
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I guess we all agree that the proposal is unfair. The question what can be done about it. What can someone sitting in US do about it. We cannot vote or protest from here. Writing blogs is one thing but the blogs hardly reach the people or protesters there. Would supporting the protest make monetarily make sense. The quota system disturbs me and the fact that Manmohan singh is not doing anything about me frustrates me.

I would like to know your views on this. I know that some of you may be from india and are a better judge of the situation over there. Is there a way that Indians and businesses in US can help you.

Rajat

By: Rajat on April 27, 2006
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For some reason I thought with the current economy trends, privatizations, etc we may not have such issues that we had during our school/college days years ago.I just noticed this picture on DeccanHerald (Bangalore’s daily) regarding reservation policy… http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr272006/gallery.asp?pic=1

By: Ram on April 27, 2006
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Dear readers,

First we should know how the policy of reservation to the SC/ST came in to existance….. Barister Jina demanded seperate pakistan also to that, Dr.BR Ambedkar demanded seperate state for SC/ST …. but it was compromised that, the weaker section group of people will be provided reservation to increase their standard on par with general…… Is it the fault of the SC/ST People in India????? [2] How much reservation is provided i.e. sc 15% and ST 7 and half and remaining 77.5 % for the general……. Is it more than the 22%….. [3] Even today the ill mentality is not purified of higher caste people in India and there are many cases in the court which the state has filled after due investigation and after due confirmation of the offences….. There are people use to say in open to the SC/ST employees to resign from the post and use to say that, u all sc/st people are useless, not only to that, the higher caste people has framed false charge sheet like murder case agains the sc/st employees and trying to harass, humiliate and insult the SC./ST Employees that too in the private company…… Now u all please tell me r we really independent and is it not necessary to continue the reservation to the weaker section of people in the private organisation if not then why privatlisation move is going on ?????

By: hk.gaikwad on April 27, 2006
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Dear all,
I agree with above statement given by mr.gaikwad,there are many those
who r facing problems in no.of organisation. because of s/c s/t.
so i fully agree with above statement.
smshinde.

By: S M SHINDE on April 27, 2006
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Of course, they are expecting from a reward from the beneficiaries. With all those reservations prevailing in India. So as per me, instead of affecting the education system directly [that’s where the biggest problem lies], govt SHOULD have brought other facilities in tandem.

By: sushil mathur on April 27, 2006
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I am also feeling really very sad about the quota system u guys are talking about sc\st now its OBC these guys are getting quota in jobs \studies & private jobs. I think that is a wonderful No: to be content with! Then, they are at the other end always to rape, Molest, chop off the hands. That’s is what you call equal opportunity!!

By: sushil mathur on April 27, 2006
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Almost the whole day i was going thru blogs on this current hot topic.
Most of the comments were against the concept of “Reservation”/”Quota”.

Here in this page i see some really matured thinking.
I agree with King and confucioius and others who supports reservation.

Its true that Indian economy has improved in past few years, but to become a developed nation, the people of the nation should develop, people include not only the upper class, but the lower class which is the majority of populaion. So, to develope them, who lived in darkness for centuries, we must bring out effective plans and methods…reservation in education/job sector is one among them.

Let us all create space for everyone.

Nidhi, i understand your innocence……
You are maintaining you page very well…. keep going.

Cheers,
hari

By: Hari on April 27, 2006
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I still remember I was doing my Engineering [as per my dads wish] till I got admission in Medicine [that is what I desired to do] I made quite a few friends in the two months I spent there and one of them belonged to SC. Out of all the friends only two wished to change stream. Myself and the SC girl. Then one day she told us that she had got admission in Medicine. Other friends said that I deserved to be in Medicine than her and she got admission in Medicine only because she was SC. When I was alone in canteen, she came to me and cried asking me if it was her fault that she was SC and she got the admission. She said she knew I deserved the seat and she prayed that I do get the admission. I was hurt by the rude treatment she got from my other friends who thought I shd hv got that seat.

Do these vote hungry politicians realize that they are sowing the seeds of hatred amongst people who could otherwise be good friends?

GBU
Arti

By: Arti on April 27, 2006
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Well! I would like to add that I am still in contact with that girl and as much as I have seen, she deserved the seat she got. It is not wrong to give the seat to those who deserve … SC and ST and stuff shd be secondary.
If u filter people in open category and reserved category, keep yourself open to another filter that filters out the less deserving of the SC, ST caste.

Not all of the open category are deserving and all of reserved category are non-deserving.

GBU
Arti

By: Arti on April 27, 2006
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The first part of my comment has disappeared somewhere :-s

Arti

By: Arti on April 27, 2006
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Dear all ,
We must go back and see the histpry…. Karl maks said… Past history is nothing but the present politics and present politics is nothing but the past history…..We are required to discuss our grand father or the old person who has seen the economical, social and educational status of sc/st people in India…. Also we must see and study of other countries where reservation came in to existance for bettertment and uplifltment of weaker section group of people…. Then question arise, why India should not see the welfare of weaker section group to bring them on par with general…… Just go in the villages and find the position of sc/st employees even today, though they have been selected/elected as sarpanch i.e number one citizen of that village they are not allowed to sit in the grampanchayat office…… then again question arise, how this type of mentality can be purified and when the un-touchability will be finished from India……Again I must bring to the notice to u all that, u must see points or percentage of reservation and I belive that, 78% is no doubt more than 22%. Then u will have to compete with 78% why u want to get mental stress for 22% reservation. Now in the name of the private company the SC/ST employees are treated as a slaves in the private companies…… This it self proves ill mentality of higher caste people……NOW WE MUST SEE HOW EQUALITY SHOULD BRING IN INDIA considering developed country……… In the name of G.P.L. the sc/st peoples are being ignored in all respect which is very unfair and unjust on the part of government of India.

By: hk.gaikwad on April 28, 2006
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We never complained about the existing 22% quota for SC/ST in the first place !! The noise was made only when the existing quota was set to be increased without giving any “knowledgeable” reason.

We are also fine with the quota system, upto some extend, but it has to be applied/enforces in more thoughtfull manner. Not like the current situation, where a political party, just to gain more votes in upcoming state elections, makes a statement and then mumble that it was mis-interpreted, but never coming with a strong statement to rectify it.

I agree that history always repeat itself. Due to personal interest of an individual, thousands of people have to pay the price. But then, those thousands put that individual in such place, why cry about it now ?

We all know about the sorry-state of people in villages, but the question is how many of those people will really move to cities to pursue the education/service under the quota system ? And do you really think giving quota to OBC’s in public/private companies will in any way make life simpler for them ?? How many public/private companies do you know that operate in villages ?

Every country have it’s own problem related to it’s citizens, tying that with being “Developed” or not is something different altogether. Then there is no country that would be really “developed” one.

By: Neeraj on April 28, 2006
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It is a pity how educated people in the SC/SCT clan claim things like “Why do you care for the 22%” You guys constitute less than 17% of the total Indian population, so first of all, the 22% you are getting is unfair!

Secondly, why dont you guys see that eventually this will generate even more hatred in the so called upper classes for you guys. Getting a job on quota and getting hatred in turn is like winning your dad’s money from your brother, but losing him for a lifetime! Is that what you want our country to become? A homeland of brethren fighting against brethren?

Finally, the issue is not about whether you should get reservation or not. Even if you do and the other driven candidates are left out because of that, these able people will find other opportunities for growth. And you guys will still remain backwards because if you were able in the first place, you would not have been where you are! So why dont you compete in an economic model and let others live in peace too!

By: Poornima on April 28, 2006
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Dear all readers,
Issues of reservation to the sc/st is the subject matter…. we should go on merit rather than thnking that, the sc/st people can not compete in the open market in any field… which is a wrong prediction….. First of all we all are human being, our blood is same then why there are differences… why sc/st people were kept away from society, from development……. it is a matter of deep study. who has done it….. why it was done….. no doubt for self interest…. when it can be stopped….. dear all…. changing mentality is very difficult task and it may take another two thousand years….. reservation to the obc and reservation to the minority is additional question……. We must see the route cause of reservation policies and its real implementation….. here we all can find that, in many organisations no such policies are/were following scruplously….. thinking that the sc/st people are useless is not correct. ….. Here question arise who are the piller or who are the working force in practical…. answer would be SC/ST people but decision were taken by the 15% of so called higher caste people…. here I can give one example about” PEN” u all will realise that, the rifile are doing all task i.e. more than 85% work is being done by the refile… the nick of pen is always on top without doing any task it may use or may not use..the nick always on top….Thus the higher caste people are always top becuase their way of thnking is like that….. and the scst are always victimised in all respect in all the fields… therefore they are backward educationally, economically and socially………. who should be held responsible for this…… thus changing mentality is most important rathan than debate…..

By: hk.gaikwad on April 28, 2006
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Hi All
Pls read this
http://united-middle-class-of-india.blogspot.com/

Do share your views through the comments

By: Let's Unite on May 3, 2006
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all readers,

I am very much concern about development of all group of societies, in one side our nation shows growth in economy and other side weaker section society is going down. We all must take care to develop the weaker society to bring on par with general to maintain the ration in a proper way.

By: b.s.barawkar on May 10, 2006
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Dear Barawkar, We should develop the weaker society but we cannt give them reservations in jobs like medical, engineers, pilots etc etc. these fields require the qualified brain. For the weaker society, they can give the reservations in class IV jobs where hard work is required. For other SC/ ST/ OBCs who qualify the School and College level should be given the same chance like normal category students. As its not the case that all SC/ ST/ and OBCs are very poor. In my School I have seen my SCs whose fathers earn so much, may be becoz of the privelage they have already taken. Such students dont require any special seats in jobs and competitive exams.

In small jobs and in class IV jobs, reservation is still understandable to give them opportunity to earn if they are very poor. But why for not so poor SC/ ST and OBCs

By: Nidhi on May 10, 2006
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Dear Nidhi, & Other readers………

In one side we are favoring to reservation to the weaker section of people and in other side we are denying them more than group IV staff. This means that, the weaker section group of people should be weaker in all respect and we are judging them not more than group IV staff in service. There are many engineers, doctors and IAS officers from sc/st cadre and they are doing far better than general employees. Thus u r underestimating the weaker societies of people in India which is not fair. Mr.Gaikwad has very rightly pointed out his views in comment No.40 which may kindly be looked in to again.
thanks with regards.
bsbarwakar

By: b.s.barawkar on May 11, 2006
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Bsbarwakar, Might be IAS, Docs and Engineers but then if they have talent then why reservation to them in such reputed posts like Adminstrative Services and others which u have mentioned.

They can compete with general category class, so that Geenral Class also get fair chance. I used class IV jobs as generally poor ppl apply on that so if there is reservation of backward classes in that, then it is still understandable.

Kind Regards
Nidhi

By: Nidhi on May 11, 2006
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Regarding comment 40)
“Thus the higher caste people are always top becuase their way of thnking is like that….. and the scst are always victimised in all respect in all the fields…”

1) In Government jobs, all the backward class ppl get promotion faster then normal category person.

2) In all Competitive exams, reservation for them is there. Most of the time the so called backward class students who appear in these exams are richer (monetary basis) then our normal General Category students.

3) Railways, Navy, Army, Administrative Services etc etc all apply reservations for them

4) Government School has, either free or very less fee for reserved category

What else these ppl want. NO QUESTIONS REGARDING RESERVATIONS. Hike in reservations is questionable and very unfair

By: Nidhi on May 11, 2006
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as if its not bad enough that the quota / reservation system is back in full focus again…we now have wonderfull images of the police mercilessly beating up medical students who were only peacefully protesting the quota system. And i guess the worst part is..theres not an iota of a f***ing thing that we can do abt it except vent our frustations in blogs. If we have a d***head like manmohan singh as our PM who didnt have the faintest idea of what arjun singh was planning..then god save our nation. soembody should tell that a**hole to stop hiding behind her pallu and for once speak his bloody mind out..if he cant do that then he must f***ing quit.

today what happened in mumbai was an insult to our societal values of democracy & integrity. it questions the presence of the basic freedom that we are supposed to enjoy. resorting to cruel lathi charge on students who were only standing for their rights just shows how scared the govt is abt the quota thingie..a person who resorts to violence instead of words and logic is a person who knows he’s done something wrong and will do everything possible to save himself.

off course the govt has magnanimously “ordered a probe”. as usual, it will amount to nothing but being another source of income for some retired judge. its unfathomable that in a city where criminals are given soft treatments, community leaders are allowed to spread their religous shit without any probs, hard working students are not allowed to express their opinions in a non-violent peacefull manner.

if the people responsible for the lathi charge are not brought to book then it just proves that mumbai is filled with eunuchs who look the other way when someones in trouble.

By: Sudhir Nair on May 14, 2006
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Dear Nidhi,

Perhaps u may be knowing that, the reservation beyond Gr.B post is not permissible in the state or central. Thus IAS, IPS people belonging from reserved categories are showing their caliber, abality and capabality to hold that key post. The higher caste people are either guntha mantri or having idea to became nick of the pen without doing any hard work. The depressed class or weaker section was treated as a slaves for thousand of years in India and same situtation may come back again if we do not want to give them change to come up in all the field. Thus we need to change our mentality first rather than thinking for 22% we must think for 78% which is always higher side than 22%
regards to u all

By: hk.gaikwad on May 15, 2006
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YES , THERE SHOULD BE RESERVATION.
LET ME CLARIFY THAT RESERVATION WILL ONLY GIVE THE SEAT TO A PERSON , THE PERSON HAS TO CLEAR THE EXAM AND PROVE HIS CAPABILITY.
We have to look for the betterment of the people who are poor and need our assistance , we have to give them the platform by doing the reservation.
SC/ST/OBC people are left behind the world if you go to some villages or even in cities then you will realize the gap that is there with these people and us.i am saying this because i have seen the pain which these people feel.
Thanks Arjun singh we supports you !!!

By: Pramod Kumar on May 15, 2006
at 5:15 pm

i have just read all the comments posted in this blog. well……there are always two sides of a coin. concerning the quota system, it was introduced by the constitution makers for the upliftment of the weaker sections, but unfortunately with the spread of corruption in our nation this policy has been misused by the politicians as a source of gaining votes by the sc/sts.
As majority of the population is below the poverty line i believe that the Quota system should not be completely banished, but it should be used in the right way.the government can give free education at the primary level and there can be provison of loans and financial support etc, in fact there can also be resevation of seats for sc/st to appear for the competitive exams etc, but givng them seats in colleges just bcoz they hold the tagof sc/st i quite unreasonable. i aslo disagree with the provision of seats on the basis of donation. myself being an NRI im completely aginst the donation seats as no one has the right to get admission in colleges on the basis of their financial strabilty

By: reader on May 19, 2006
at 7:27 pm

this whole debate over the quota system is endless however it requires knowledge about the age old tradition of untouchability to post a comment over the issue. the plight of lower castes people can never be understood by the higher castes , from centuries dalits have been oppressed and now its just about 60 years that due to the constitutional framework these oppressed classes have been able to see a bit of daylight. i would like to ask those people who oppose quota system that where was this feeling of equality when all the opportunities went to high castes people (brahmin’s son takes over the pundit post of his father ) do you even know the meaning of pundit it means a person who has immense knowledge , how in the world can you guess that a brahmin’s son posseses the required abilities to become a pundit.
harijans were not even permitted to hear sanskrit language can anyone please tell me why????
if by acident they hear it moulted glass was poured in their ears, now thats equality for all of us,isnt it!!!
untouchables had diffrent colonies to live , could not use the well to drink water, did not have the right to worship in temples, this is what we can call atyachar. the debate over jobs and admissions seem quite irrelevant and selfish in this respect, you still dont agree????
i have seen thousands of people still feeling uncomfortable with sc sts, many of them regret sharing meals with them, have you ever experienced a similar feeling????(all the general category are u listening???)
there is no point having a cat fight over the issue for personal selfish reasons, although my views will be totally irrelevant but i still request the kids to think sensibely before uttering any comments on this sensitive issue.

By: kamal on May 19, 2006
at 9:49 pm

by the way what do we all have to say about corruption , the rich class whether sc st or general get to manage a seat for them anyways so dont we have a responsibility to lift those first who have been downtrodden for centuries i.e. our very own sc sts brothers.
just think over it before replying to this (because the rich get in anyways)

By: kamal on May 19, 2006
at 9:59 pm

nidhi grow up u seem to me over aggressive but just pause and analyse the whole situation india is a huge country and every one have thei rights to live if you want love then first learn to give love(take my mantra to stay happy always)

By: kamal on May 19, 2006
at 10:04 pm

Well, I just want to make one simple statement. I was reading the comment written by Mr Sudhir Nair and if I go by the standard of kind of the language he has used, I must say that I am very proud that I am not one of you, so called upper caste civilized people. Man you should learn how to speak in public and have some respect for the people who have achieved so much in life.

By: Dr. Sanjeev Singh on May 20, 2006
at 8:34 pm

harijans were not even permitted to hear sanskrit language can anyone please tell me why????
if by acident they hear it moulted glass was poured in their ears, now thats equality for all of us,isnt it!!!
untouchables had diffrent colonies to live , could not use the well to drink water, did not have the right to worship in temples, this is what we can call atyachar. the debate over jobs and admissions seem quite irrelevant and selfish in this respect, you still dont agree????

I couldnt understand Mr. Kamal, what you want to convey. About the Atyachar on Dalits or about reservations. Do you think, poor people from villages are getting any benefit from hiking reservation. I would say the problems you have quoted can be resolved if Government run some awareness program on removing discrimmination or make some centres within the village which does that, provide them job, make some Schools in villages and things like that. Hiking reservation in competitive exams doesnt help in that scenerio.

All ppl who support quota, speaks as if General Category ppl are like selfish ppl and those who dont want to see Indians growing which is not true at all. We also human and understand them but its very selfish of backward classes to support hinking reservation because they will benefit out of that and dont want to work hard to give a fair chance to everyone. Students who study all night to crack the exam when get left out because of reservation, wont they feel humilated. Although, no one made a issue on reservation, its only why hiking it so much.

Moreover, most of time the dalits which all you ppl are referring are not getting any benefit out of this. This reservation only help those SC/ST/ OBCs who are equal to any other general category student on the basis of monetrary value.

By: Nidhi on May 22, 2006
at 12:58 pm

Dear Nidhi,
You desperately need a reality check. Reservation is actually helping a big number of people to come out of the situations prevailing for thousands of years. Secondly you think only you people have pride. I can give you hundreds of example of people whose earlier generation used reservation but now there next genration do not want to use the quota. About creating centres in the villages for backward classes, please do the calculation how much money and manpower is going to required to implement for such an ambicious project and who is going to manage them again same people who never let these people come up in the first place.
Mam, time has changed, this country belongs to us. We are the majority. We have learnt the number game in democracy. Shout at your toppest level but you will never be able to stop this change. Soon we will give you resevation for 15 % that is your percentage in this country. We will never object to that. Have a nice day.

By: Dr. Sanjeev Singh on May 22, 2006
at 8:57 pm

Dear Dr. Singh, I believe you desperately need a Psychiatrist. Where you got the data which refers that General Category people are trying to let down the backward classes. General category students have told them not to study hard to compete in exams or in jobs. You ppl only want reservation, because you don’t want to study and do hard work.
HOW DARE YOU CAN SAY THAT, THIS COUNTRY BELONG TO US. You mean to say General Category students don’t belong to this country. Are you insane?

Regarding you giving reservations to us, please let me remind you that, its you ppl who are after reservations, not us. We can prove our self in our own caliber.

I am having nice day and hoping the same for you

By: Nidhi on May 23, 2006
at 10:39 am

hi friends,
i have my training at L&T ltd. whose office is situated at ghansoli, mumbai. i m new to mumbai so can u people tell me that wht is the travelling time through local train from kandivali to ghansoli. also tell me where i should stay in mumbai so that i have to face less problems and if anybody knows some places also send me addresses. thanks friends hope u will help me lot.

By: Avinash Mathur on May 23, 2006
at 1:37 pm

Hi avinash, Lol ,howcome you have thought of asking route on this post. Its quite funny hehehehehehe.

I dont have much idea about Mumbai routes otherwise I could have told you. Lets see, if any other person can help you in this regard.

Cheers
Nidhi

By: Nidhi on May 23, 2006
at 2:59 pm

Guys, you are wasting your time discussing reservation. Reservation is here to stay, my advise to you is “Get used to it”. Instead of whining about reservation if you study you can get in to the top 50 %. I don’t really care about my caste, but I am SC/ST, but every time I wrote an entrance exam or any other competitive exam I was in the top 50 %, top 1 % for my state engineering entrance to be precise. Any way I am in Southern California now, working for a cell phone company you all know.

By: moz on June 2, 2006
at 9:26 pm

One more point. I am a compassionate capitalist. I believe the only way to alleviate poverty is to create wealth by having a free market. We can’t really have a free market if 70 % if the country’s population is living in abject poverty. The “merit” as we know it today is the not the real merit, because 70 % of the people are not competing. If those 70% starts competing, all you whiners will have even less chance of getting into IIT or IIM, because I believe intelligence of a person has nothing to do with caste. In fair society a typical Brahmin has same ability as a typical SC/ST person, so the seats will be roughly distributed according to population.

I want to ask you one question, we had “meritocracy” for past 60 years, and we were ruled by upper caste people (Nehru, Indira etc) what the hell have we achieved ? “Hindu rate” of growth ? We have made no major discovery, all the technological and scientific progress we see today was developed in the west, America mostly, a free and open society.

Personally I believe incompetent people like Nehru are in every caste, since you pseudo “meritocrats” don’t believe that, you need to provide an explanation why we as country failed so miserably for past 60 years.

By: moz on June 2, 2006
at 9:57 pm

hello moz,
i would never expect this line “Reservation is here to stay, my advise to you is “Get used to it”.” from a responsible citizen. This is not palatable statement and i would definitely say hypocrisy , angerness in ur words.

one hand u r saying that “intelligence of a person has nothing to do with caste” and another hand u r in favour of reservation in education.i would definitely not expect both statements from a sensible person at same time.

i agree that people who are under poverty (either upper caste or lower caste ) need a lot of free facilities for fulfillingt their basic needs. these free facilities could be “roti , kapda , makan ” but definitely not reservation anywhere which seriously deteriorates merit and efficiency. if governemnet provides better and neat primary education nobody will need any reservation kind of thing at higher level.
ur questions releted to ploitics is not the right kind of question to see growth of the people over decades. india has improved a lot economically, socially. in democracy country like india reservation is seriusly against the nature.

By: Dilip on June 8, 2006
at 2:07 pm

I am with you Dilip,
Regardin Moz “Personally I believe incompetent people like Nehru are in every caste, since you pseudo “meritocrats” don’t believe that, you need to provide an explanation why we as country failed so miserably for past 60 years”.
We have failed miserable because ppl like you, who use the resources of India, study here and then go to abroad to serve them. I would advice you, first do something for poor ppl before commenting on Hindu’s or any other religion and then talk about reservations or any other thing. Giving lecture and showing that you are in favour of SC/ ST on your comment is waste.
Criticizing Mr. Nehru, I will ask from you, what you have done for your ppl, as you said, you are the merit holder and earning a lot.

By: Nidhi on June 9, 2006
at 10:12 am

How did blacks get a standing in a white society, not by reservations, but by equal opportunities. if u r worth it u get it. But its so sad that even after Mandal trajegies the scene is unchanged infact getting worse, its like USA opting for war when the ppl protest, but i guess with governments it never really matters what ppl say.Some do it for oil and some for votes and power, but seriously the country should have higher corporate power houses involved in governing coz they have capital and can shape the country, and they wont go for some bullshit votes but for betterment and profit, ofcourse this too can lead to trouble if uncontrolled but may be it can help too.why should idiots be allowed to work high end jobs and that too just because they are out of some slum.

By: prerna on June 18, 2006
at 1:17 pm

Hi Prerna, Indeed. Distrubuting seats and jobs just because you are from slum is no valid reason. Those who worth it, get it, they don’t require any reservation for that. Reservations creating a harted among all General category ppl towards all backward class.

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at 10:00 am

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By: LIANDYTRIBITA on December 15, 2007
at 3:19 pm

hi nidhi
if ur birth is in sc then u can understand u this dividation in seta u know?coz if this is not available then nobody want to take sc people,u just read past in dr ambedkar’s book or just see the all problems of sc in india then u also will agree with us it is not easy being a sc also see the 12std scince resule of sc and general then u will see that both result near abt same govt is not full u only see in the ur side but when relize the problems of sc then u can understan till today some people fire the house of sc like in gurgoan in 2007,sombody refuse for enter in temple like in rajsthan in 2007 so sc people lives with lots of problemsim also sc i have more than 82% in 12th seince but nobody will help oz im sc so i faced also lots od difficulty i request to you first understand what is SC and for wat this dividation id done and then pass ur comments
bye n tak care

By: mahesh on January 4, 2008
at 8:03 pm

Reservation is unfair.
Reservation is nuisance.
Reservation helps crooks stay in politics.
Reservation is what divides our lovely country.

BUT THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.

SO

If any of you *** ** * ***** (ref:o-ren ishi in kill bill) has any problems for my asking for reservation, then this is the time.
Because,
I demad reservations for brahmins,
I demand reservations for MIddle Class People,
I demand reservations for deciding on reservations,
And I demand reservation for everyone who Does not qualify for reservation.

I am part of the system and I am here to help develop the system. But one thing I will not tolerate. And that is …….

By: Rajababu on January 22, 2008
at 11:26 pm

Reservation in job of some areas like

1. MBBS
2.Engineer
3.Teacher
4.IAS
5.all administrative services

causes

MBBS—— life in danger for all due to lake of knowledge of sc st candidates. & they lead the exp talent gen doctor.

good knowledge exp doctor will in same postion
but less knoweledge less exp sc/st doctor is promote hence the gen doctor willness is less to do good work.

in treatement

In all case it happen so is it ok?

if you want to help to the pore candidate not sc st then help them by giving money not the job or in promotion.

as per the rule all are equal then why this?

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at 11:21 am

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